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>> mike hayden: well, first reaction was, this is not good news. this was a program that we relied on a great deal. it was covering al qaeda operatives inside the united states communicating with al qaeda overseas and abroad. >> stahl: the f.b.i. doesn't do that? >> hayden: well, not the way we did it. >> stahl: he acknowledges the n.s.a. program was "unarguably inconsistent" with the 1978 law prohibiting the agency from eavesdropping on americans without first obtaining a court warrant. >> hayden: it was warrantless, but not unwarranted. it would've been irresponsible for n.s.a. not to have done this in the immediate aftermath of the attacks of 9/11. >> stahl: but it was eavesdropping on americans? that was the story. >> hayden: you know, one has to choose words carefully here, all right. we were allowed to intercept international calls. >> stahl: had to be overseas. >> hayden: had to be overseas. and we already had reason to believe that one or both ends of the call were affiliated with al qaeda. >> stahl: besides, government lawyers assured him
>> mike hayden: well, first reaction was, this is not good news. this was a program that we relied on a great deal. it was covering al qaeda operatives inside the united states communicating with al qaeda overseas and abroad. >> stahl: the f.b.i. doesn't do that? >> hayden: well, not the way we did it. >> stahl: he acknowledges the n.s.a. program was "unarguably inconsistent" with the 1978 law prohibiting the agency from eavesdropping on americans without first...
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. >> so is mike hayden, by the way. same way. >> and that happened again and again with the senior officers that i would talk with, whereas when i was talking with and hanging out with, you know, the specialists, the lance corporals, the captains, i was finding out a heck of a lot more about what was really going on. >> but then you move up the food chain. i agree with you that sometimes the best sources are names we never hear about. and no one else knows. but then you have to -- if you're ultimately trying to write about decision-making, you need to get to the generals and the people in the white house, or the pentagon, who are making some of these decisions, or the cia. >> i don't have the bob woodward special sauce to get that access. >> but what gets people to respond is information. if you have the document, or the notes, or the details, if you go in and say, i understand you're launching operation pink starling tomorrow, you know, and pink starling is a protected code word, people will say, okay, we better deal w
. >> so is mike hayden, by the way. same way. >> and that happened again and again with the senior officers that i would talk with, whereas when i was talking with and hanging out with, you know, the specialists, the lance corporals, the captains, i was finding out a heck of a lot more about what was really going on. >> but then you move up the food chain. i agree with you that sometimes the best sources are names we never hear about. and no one else knows. but then you have...
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and this is mike hayden. i want to thank you for taking the call. invariably i would then begin the conversation with, look, we both have responsibilities for the welfare and safety of this republic. but how you're about to exercise your responsibilities, i believe, is going to make it much harder for me to exercise mine. so, we really do need to talk. and we would have that dialogue bart suggests. this is really tricky. he has to have freedom of the press. there's a reason that's in the first amendment. on the other hand, the government has legitimate secrets. okay? no fooling things are overclassified and human beings in government will make decisions that, perhaps, are less noble than we would all want to be. as bart also suggests, when bart or "the post" or "the times," declassify information on their judgment, they are performing an inherently governmental act. without the system of checks and balances and responsibilities that normally go over here on this side of the equation. this is getting much, much more complicated. in our society. bart
and this is mike hayden. i want to thank you for taking the call. invariably i would then begin the conversation with, look, we both have responsibilities for the welfare and safety of this republic. but how you're about to exercise your responsibilities, i believe, is going to make it much harder for me to exercise mine. so, we really do need to talk. and we would have that dialogue bart suggests. this is really tricky. he has to have freedom of the press. there's a reason that's in the first...
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. >> so is mike hayden, by the way. same way. >> and that happened again and again with the senior officers that i would talk with, whereas when i was talking with and hanging out with, you know, the specialists, the lance corporals, the captains, i was finding out a heck of a lot more about what was really going on. >> but then you move up the food chain. i agree with you that sometimes the best sources are names we never hear about. and no one else knows. but then you have to -- if you're ultimately trying to write about decision-making, you need to get to the generals and the people in the white house, or the pentagon, who are making some of these decisions, or the cia. >> i don't have the bob woodward special sauce to get that access. >> but what gets people to respond is information. if you have the document, or the notes, or the details, if you go in and say, i understand you're launching operation pink starling tomorrow, you know, and pink starling is a protected code word, people will say, okay, we better deal w
. >> so is mike hayden, by the way. same way. >> and that happened again and again with the senior officers that i would talk with, whereas when i was talking with and hanging out with, you know, the specialists, the lance corporals, the captains, i was finding out a heck of a lot more about what was really going on. >> but then you move up the food chain. i agree with you that sometimes the best sources are names we never hear about. and no one else knows. but then you have...
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. >> so is mike hayden, by the way. same way. >> and that happened again and again with the senior officers that i would talk with, whereas when i was talking with and hanging out with, you know, the specialists, the lance corporals, the captains, i was finding out a heck of a lot more about what was really going on. >> but then you move up the food chain. i agree with you that sometimes the best sources are names we never hear about. and no one else knows. but then you have to -- if you're ultimately trying to write about decision-making, you need to get to the generals and the people in the white house, or the pentagon, who are making some of these decisions, or the cia. >> i don't have the bob woodward special sauce to get that access. >> but what gets people to respond is information. if you have the document, or the notes, or the details, if you go in and say, i understand you're launching operation pink starling tomorrow, you know, and pink starling is a protected code word, people will say, okay, we better deal w
. >> so is mike hayden, by the way. same way. >> and that happened again and again with the senior officers that i would talk with, whereas when i was talking with and hanging out with, you know, the specialists, the lance corporals, the captains, i was finding out a heck of a lot more about what was really going on. >> but then you move up the food chain. i agree with you that sometimes the best sources are names we never hear about. and no one else knows. but then you have...
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. >> 215 and 702 -- there are four kinds of data that george bush ordered mike hayden to start collecting after 9/11 without the benefit of a state ut and without the benefit of court supervision for several years. and until the justice department rebelled and two dozen people were about to resign because they judged it to be illegal. this is the famous surveillance from the period of -- it was disclosed at the end of 2005. there is metadata about data, records of who talks to whom and when or where they are or what kind of equipment they are using. that's metadata. then there's content. they were collecting broadly speaking both for internet communications and telephone. internet communications are not only e-mail. they are also your skype chats. they are the documents you have stored in the cloud. they are video. they are -- it's the universe of content that travels the internet and then the telephone calls. and what happened after the justice department rebellion and after some public knowledge began to lead to debate, is that the court was asked to switch gears and did switch gears. n
. >> 215 and 702 -- there are four kinds of data that george bush ordered mike hayden to start collecting after 9/11 without the benefit of a state ut and without the benefit of court supervision for several years. and until the justice department rebelled and two dozen people were about to resign because they judged it to be illegal. this is the famous surveillance from the period of -- it was disclosed at the end of 2005. there is metadata about data, records of who talks to whom and...
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. >> michael hayden left the government and mike mcconnell the same way. if you don't understand revolving door of the intelligence community and the government, then you don't know what is going on. >> let me be clear, you are saying that people in our government, bias leaders are deliberately fear mongering, provoking war so they can become wealthy? >> not directly that way. is not necessarily a direct quid pro quo, like mr. mcconnell in virginia but they know what is going to happen afterwards. they don't have to bargain. they understand with more power off they will go back and have these contracts, that is what they do. >> these leaders you just mentioned i just as guilty as governor mcdonnell in virginia who was convicted for corruption? >> that is not what i said that you can have understanding without direct quid pro quos. the think people in government don't know what is available outside as private consulting or otherwise? you are very naive. >> we know many of these individuals who serve with them, that rather than at hominem attacks in order to
. >> michael hayden left the government and mike mcconnell the same way. if you don't understand revolving door of the intelligence community and the government, then you don't know what is going on. >> let me be clear, you are saying that people in our government, bias leaders are deliberately fear mongering, provoking war so they can become wealthy? >> not directly that way. is not necessarily a direct quid pro quo, like mr. mcconnell in virginia but they know what is going...